Salvation just has a lot of problems, for one, no one seems to be able to agree on who's saved, or how you're saved, or why you have to be saved. If salvation was necessary, and it effects you throughout eternity, wouldn't a loving God be very clear on the rules? Wouldn't God make sure that everyone knew the rules, understood them, and had every chance to access that salvation? Otherwise, it seems a bit arbitrary, and maybe the deck is stacked, especially for a God that is "no respecter of persons."
Here's an example of how no one can agree on who's saved: Yesterday I watched Angelina Long on Ex-Mormon Files. She converted to Mormonism shortly after high school, and was a Mormon for three years. She was a very active member, and loved the church, she said it was her first "church family". One day at the temple, as she walked up a stairway, she felt completely disconnected from her experience there. She felt like a spectator walking through a beautiful building, she didn't feel at peace, but felt anxious. As she and her friend returned to the dressing rooms, a lady came in with a stack of family names with the last name of Long, just like her. As she listened to the conversation this lady is having with a temple worker, the lady mentions that she has all this ordinance work to do for her family members. Angelina said, God touched her heart and what went through her mind was: is this what it's going to be like for me for the rest of my life, taking hundreds of family names to the temple to assist in their salvation? Next a series of events happened... a week later teaching in Relief Society, a lesson called, Be spiritually prepared for anything that comes your way, she bore her testimony and said "I know that families can be together forever, through this church." As soon as she said that, she felt a pit in her stomach. Shortly after that she had two loved ones pass away. She began to have thoughts of confusion and anxiety, and she could not bear the thought that the only way that her family would be together for ever was through temple work. It didn't make sense to her. She drove around one night trying to clear her head, and began to weep saying to God, "God this doesn't make sense, if you are the same God, yesterday, today and forever, and you love all of your children the same, if Joseph Smith restored your church 200 years ago, why would you deny so many of your children, millions upon millions of souls, the blessings of being together forever with their family in heaven? And why would I be granted a better level of heaven simply because of the church that I belong to, I'm no better then anyone else." Then she heard God speak to her just as clear as day, saying, "the temple ceremonies came by revelation, which means they came from Joseph Smith, which means they came from men, and men can make mistakes, the only perfect man is Jesus Christ and he is the only way." Then she felt this overwhelming peace, this tingling through her entire body, something she had never felt before. She felt the Holy Spirit come and comfort her by wrapping his arms around her. At which time she said, "Thank you Jesus, I know you, I know you now, and its just you." She thought that makes sense, but why does my religion believe in a completely different form of salvation? She began to look into the LDS doctrine of eternal families and came across polygamy, which she began to study, and came across other distributing things such as polyandry. She began to attend other churches and learned that it is by Grace and Grace alone that she was saved.
This is a very touching story and frankly I believe her completely when she says that she had this experience. It's not easy to walk away from the Mormon faith, especially when you are a convert and have had praises heaped upon you and she was in a prominent calling, not easy at all! She had converted her friend who is now married to a Mormon, and she has to walk away from all of that. She has my full respect.
The same day that I watched Angelina's interview, I received a "Friend" request on Facebook, from Jean, a member of our current ward, where we stopped attending last year. I don't know Jean well, but I really like her. She's a great teacher, studies the scriptures a lot, loves God, and has a great testimony of Jesus Christ as her Savior. She loves Jesus, every bit as much as Angelina does. Jean sent a message to me along with the Friend request, in which she says, "I wish I had the words to help you understand that as wacky as some things are in the Church, because of human fallibility, it is the right vehicle to obtain the correct ordinances and the companionship of the Holy Ghost."
I found this striking, because they are both referring to the temple ordinances. One claiming that they are necessary, the other claiming that it is these exact ordinances that led her out of the Mormon Church, and into the arms of Jesus. Both of these ladies, love Jesus, believe that they know him, and both believe that they are saved, and that their way to salvation is the only way! They can't both be right, but they can both be wrong. I'm not saying they are, I'm just saying that this is the problem with salvation. There is no correct definition of it. The only "correct" definition you get is by someone who believes they are saved, but their story of salvation will not jive with someone of another faith.
Why the need for salvation, where do we get this notion, and what do different religions claim about it? This is obviously a huge subject, so I will keep it brief. Most Christians believe in the doctrine of, Original Sin. Mormons don't, or I should say they have a nuanced view of the Fall of Adam and Eve. They believe that man is in a fallen state, but they don't ascribe to the Original Sin doctrine of Christianity, which is HUGE. The way Adam and Eve are viewed by Mormons and Christians and their view of God, why we are here, and how we get back to God again, is so different. No matter how hard people try to reconcile these two religions, its just not possible (I don't know that anyone is trying that hard to reconcile them, probably only the Mormon PR machine tries to do this at times). The doctrine of Original Sin is based on some New Testament scriptures, but it certainly didn't come from Christ, and it wasn't formulated until the 2nd century, a time period which in Mormon theology Christ's church was already in a state of apostasy. Let's look at a couple non-Christian religions, and see how salvation works with them.
Jews don't believe in Original Sin, Judaism does not require personal salvation thru deity as Christianity does. They basically believe in the Golden Rule. God, the creator of the world provides salvation to those who honor his precepts. There is no vicarious salvation, your redemption depends on you and your behavior. "In Judaism, salvation is open to all people and not limited to those of the Jewish faith; the only important consideration being that the people must observe and practice the ethical pattern of behavior as summarized in the Ten Commandments." (Malekar, Ezekiel Isaac. "The Speaking Tree: Concept of Salvation I Judaism)
Islam's salvation is entrance into heaven. If you die disbelieving in God you will not be saved. If you are non-Muslim and you believe in God, it is God's will concerning you. If you are Muslim and believe in the One God and in the Islam message, you are saved into heaven.
What do Mormon's require for salvation? I'll go to their website (Mormon.org) and get it straight from the horse's mouth. "By humbling ourselves, repenting, and striving to keep His commandments, we can receive the blessings of the Savior's atoning sacrifice." Is that all? No, "He administered saving temporal ordinances, such as baptism, which He Himself submitted to though He had never sinned; the Savior did this because he asked us to follow Him in all things." Is that all? No, "to apply the saving grace of Jesus Christ"... requires, faith, repentance, baptism by immersion (by one having authority), and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost. Is that all? No, "The fundamental gospel elements are these: faith in Jesus Christ, repentance, baptism, receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit, and enduring to the end." Is that all? No, "In 1830 Jesus Christ restored His gospel through a prophet names Joseph Smith...The Savior also restored the keys of the priesthood and the saving ordinances at are required for His Church to accomplish His work again on earth." Is that all? No, apparently not, since they also say, "From each of them (referring to the latter day prophets) we learn what is required of us to become more like God and to prepare to live with Him again." Is that all? No, not really, not if you want to be saved in the Celestial Kingdom (super VIP heaven according to Brother Jake see here very humorous)! To be saved in the Celestial Kingdom, the only one that allows for your family to be together forever as a family and for you to become exalted or have eternal life, that requires temple ordinances. You will recall that above they said that Christ "administered saving temporal ordinances, plural, but then only gave one example, "such as baptism" well, some of these additional ordinances are temple ordinances, and if you want your family to be together forever, Mormonism's big trump card, you have to receive these temple ordinances. To be worthy to do that, you have to pay a full tithing, keep the word of wisdom, go to your meetings (yes that's right plural) on Sunday, sustain the prophet, wear temple garments, and a host of other smaller and bigger things. Wow, that's a lot, I got tired just typing that all out, image how tiring it is to live.
What do most Protestant Christians (not necessarily liberal Protestant Christians) believe is required for salvation? Well that's a big group with somewhat varying views, but I think I'm safe in saying that Jesus Christ is the only way. He paid the penalty for our sins on the cross and rose from the grave. One must have a faith and trust in Christ, admit you are a sinner and need forgiveness, and through prayer confess that Jesus Christ is the only way to God and commit to live for Him. Some groups would say that baptism is necessary, but confessing Christ, and for some being born again is the main requirements. Then of course after you have dedicated your life to Jesus, you will naturally try to live like him. (Wow, that's a lot easier than the Mormon plan, no wonder there are so many more Protestants then Mormon's!)
That is a brief summary of a very complex subject, but I think you get the idea. Nothing coordinates, each group thinks they have the truth, they own salvation, and they are saved. Salvation groups us into communities which is good and bad. It causes us to have peace and dread all at the same time. It can make a person prideful and judgmental, and it also has good effects. Basically it is what it is, and people get very emotional over their salvation, families are brought together by it and destroyed by it. And none of these salvations stand up under scrutiny, only to the true believers, who will not look at hard evidence to the contrary. Anyone trying to make an argument against anyone's salvation is usually seen as evil, and should be avoided or at least disregarded.
But here's some good news! A Pew survey shows that we are becoming more open minded in our salvation quest. In asking "Who can go to Heaven?" When asking White mainstream Protestants if Catholicism can lead to eternal life 77% said yes, and 83% of Catholics returned the favor to Protestants. What about Judaism, can Jews find their way to Heaven in the eyes of others? Catholics said yes 77%, White mainstream Protestants said yes, 73%, Evangelicals were a little less gracious at 64%. But hey, that's pretty good for a stubborn group of people, lol, I mean a strongly convinced group of people. What about those evil atheists, how's their chance in the after life? Not bad! Looks like only half of us are sending them to Hell, 50% think they will too reach heaven. They should all rest better tonight knowing that. :)
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Tuesday, June 2, 2015
Wednesday, May 27, 2015
Salvation versus Happiness
As Mormon's,
and most any religion I assume, your goal in life is
salvation. I'm not sure you really think about it that way, all the time
anyway, but that is the goal. Your religion, whichever it is, owns your
salvation, and they make sure you feel the need to adhere to its beliefs, so
that your salvation is secure. The teachings are easy to believe, no
matter how ridiculous they are, because there's little incentive to
examine them, since you're saved.
As I've learned
that the church that I was born and raised in, is not what it claims to
be, and no other religion seems to pass a thorough examination either, I
have begun to question salvation in general. I believe in God, I just don't
believe we need to be saved in this life, I think this life has
another purpose. Religion teaches you that you need salvation, and the
institution that tells you that, also happens to hold the keys to that
salvation. I think this is a false notion, that gives religion a hold on
your thinking, time, family, and money. It takes a very courageous person
to examine their religion, it's easy to see the falsehoods in other
religions, but very challenging to see them in your own. Why is
it so challenging? Because you are taught that anything or
anyone that is suggesting to you to look at your religion is
dangerous and your salvation may be at stake if you take a look, and
it is foolish to listen to anyone who is obviously wrong, or
evil, or trying to dupe you. It's much safer to only look at things
that are approved by the church... says the church. After
all, your church is only concerned about you and your
salvation! Or, you might just tell yourself, I don't have to look I know
I have the truth. And how do you know that? You have been told
that by all those around you. You associate with people that believe
the same as you, and everything you do and feel, reinforces that truth to
you.
So if this life is
not about salvation, what is God up to? I'll tell you what I
think God is all about, and this really isn't new thinking for me,
the "no need for salvation" is new to me, but the rest
isn't. I've said before, I believe that God is love. I think
God wants us to learn to be happy. I really think this life is about
happiness, and learning how to be happy, and making others
happy. Love is the main ingredient in finding that happiness.
Love is the basis of it all, and if I have this wrong, I choose to live my
life this way anyway. And any God that proclaims to be a God of
love, could not possibly be unhappy with a person who sees life this way
and chooses to live life this way. What would be the point in
condemning or damming a person who chose to see life as a learning
ground for attaining happiness, and trying to make others happy through
love and compassion. This may seem like a very
simplified answer to life, but just try it! Have the courage to let go of
your beliefs, just long enough to see the simplicity of love, happiness, joy,
peace, and acceptance. You may like it so much, that you never go
back to a prior way of thinking again.
Saturday, March 28, 2015
Coming Around
When I discovered that the Mormon Church was not what it said it was (thanks to Elder Holland and his comments in a PBS interview in which he answers questions about Blacks and the Priesthood ban, that were shocking to my true believing ears) it broke my heart to discover the hidden history of the Church, the remaking of events, and the cover up and elimination of much of the real history. But what really broke my heart was to discover that it isn't Christ's restored church on this earth, at least not in the sense that it claims to be. Meaning, I doubt seriously if God and Jesus Christ appeared to Joseph Smith in the Sacred Grove and told him the things that the Church claims they did. The evidence just doesn't support that story, I should say that version of the story, since there are three or four versions of the vision, and the Church only teaches the last one, which by that time included two Gods and a completely different vision then Joseph Smith originally claimed. You can listen to apologist's try to spin a good reason for the different versions, but I'm not into spinning things. If I was, I would have listened to the apologist's spin on the Blacks and the Priesthood, or almost every other topic and problem the Church has with its history, there is plenty of apologist spin out there, enough to make your head dizzy.
It did break my heart, because I believed it so deeply, and my entire life structure was built upon it. It's not easy to have your entire foundation ripped out from underneath you, lets just say, it's not for the faint of heart. But I have never been faint of heart, I was taught to "put your shoulder to the wheel, and push along", I was taught to "lengthen your stride", I was taught "even the intent to deceive was a lie", and I was taught to "do what is right, let the consequence follow". I guess in reality my church taught me the skills, the integrity, the courage, and the ability to walk away, when I discovered it wasn't what it said it was. So in that regard, I'm very grateful. I'm glad that I learned those lessons so well, so when the time came that I needed to not be, faint of heart, I wasn't!
One problem the Church has are the literalists claims it makes, i.e. this literally is Christ's restored church, Christ is literally running it through revelation to the prophet, our leaders are literally Apostles and Prophets of Jesus Christ, the priesthood was restored to Joseph Smith by Peter, James, and John, and on and on and on...the literal claims are so numerous! And that's why the Church is now being picked apart by some of its own members and others using historical records, primary sources, historical research, journal entries, scientific evidence, and words of their own leaders, just to name a few. The historical evidence doesn't match up with the Church's literal claims, plain and simple, and the Church is losing members because of it.
Interestingly, the Mormon Church is not alone. There are literalists of a different stripe, and they too are suffering from their literal claims. Religion in general is suffering, but specifically Christianity, especially the evangelical, fundamentalist stripe. Not every Christian believes that Noah was a real person, who built an ark and put two of every creature into that ark, and the earth was flooded. Not every Christian believes that the Bible is the inerrant word of God, without error or fault in all its teaching. Not every Christian takes literally the virgin birth of Jesus, the resurrection of Christ, or the Second Coming. But there are those who do and they would find good company with the Mormon's, because Mormons believe all of those things too, literally. I say they would find good company with the Mormons, if the fundamentalists would stop sending Mormons to Hell, that is! These fundamentalist's are holding on literally to all of these beliefs, even though there is no proof of any of it, all of their literalist claims, fall apart, just like the Mormon's do. But they are hanging on for dear life, turning a blind eye and deaf ear to all that is going on around them, and at the same time, proclaiming that only they know the real Jesus, and you have the wrong one, if you don't believe as they do, and they know who is saved and who's going to Hell.
I don't begrudge literalist in any religion, I used to be one. I know how strong those beliefs are. There are two things in this life, I have learned, that are so strong... stronger than logic, stronger than facts, and stronger than family ties sometimes; those two things are beliefs and fears. People will do some of the most amazing things because of belief and because of fear, both negative and positive. You could say that its these two things that makes the world go round. And I'm fairly convinced that God gave us these strong senses as a survival mechanism, even though these two senses also cause so much destruction and havoc in the world. Everything has its opposite and the goal is learning to choose love over other emotions, which is difficult to do, especially in light of our fears and beliefs. Love is often the last thing we turn to, but I have hope in a patient God, allowing us to learn and grow at our own pace as our desires turn toward love and away from fear, which just happens to be the opposite of love.
Am I condemning literalist for their beliefs? No, I love them, they are good people who do many good things, and some bad things. All of us do. They have a very strong world view and think that it's the only way, the correct way, and the goal for them and God also, is for you to think that way too. But the literalists claims ruin things, because they're not really true, even though believers don't know that. They don't see the harm that some of their beliefs bring to themselves and others, because they believe things so strongly they can't image that their "truth" could bring harm. In a real sense literalist beliefs keep them hemmed into a tight knit world, usually surrounded by like minded people. Just as Alexander Leek says in the movie Mothman Prophecies: If there was a car crash ten blocks away, that window washer up there could probably see it. Now, that doesn't mean he's God, or even smarter than you are. But from where he's sitting, he can see a little further down the road. So in other words, those down below (those in their tight little world) may not be able to see out as far as someone who is not hemmed in by those literal beliefs, just like the window washer.
The reason I say these literal beliefs ruin everything, be their religious or sectarian, is because the believer gets so caught up in the belief that they cannot see things clearly, or another's perspective. In other words, they own the truth and cannot consider another's point of view. The belief trumps everything, thinking stops, pride sets in, and adherence to the belief becomes the paramount virtue over love and acceptance of others, over consideration of another's position, or circumstance.
Okay, so it broke my heart to discover that my literal beliefs were not true. There is value to literal beliefs, but there are drawbacks too. Being able to open your eyes to all of that is very empowering, and yet unsettling. You no longer have answers to life's important questions, be the answers true or false, there is a secure feeling in having them. That's fine, but now it's grow up time. Time to move on. You are leaving a false belief behind where you found safety. That's okay, its called growing. I think its a false believe to think that the most important thing that God wants from us is to have faith, endure to the end, don't get out of the boat, just stay the course. I think what God really wants is for us to think, think, think, learn truths through our own experiences, have experiences that will teach us love and compassion for others. Why would a God want anything other than that?
I watched a movie the other day, at the end, a woman said: You have to be willing to loose everything, for God to shape you into what he has planned. Before I would have heard that and thought, you have to be willing to sacrifice all that you have, be willing to go through trials, have your faith tested, etc. BUT, now I hear that and think, you have to be willing to loose everything, meaning your belief system, that's when you really loose everything, and allow God to shape you into what he has planned. That's quite a different thing! Much more meaningful to God and to you.
Saturday, February 28, 2015
They all have problems
All religions fall apart under examination, but they can and do have value for the believers. BUT, no faith is perfect, even for the true believer. All faiths have drawbacks that can cause harm to others, often those we love the most. The trick is to have the courage to examine your religion, because it will fall apart under scrutiny... doctrinally, scientifically, and its historicity. NO EXCEPTIONS! Mark Twain once said: The ease with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also.
The value of a faith then lies in taking the good from it... stay if you want, but with eyes wide open. With open eyes you can minimize the damage that comes from believing wrong things. You can love freely, you can rid yourself of judgments that inherently come from a faith, and you can embrace other's beliefs. What a beautiful gift to give yourself, your family, and your friends. And you will know truths. The truths that really matter, not the "truths" about or that come from knowing your faith is true, and right. Real truths that you learn for yourself throughout your life. Truths like, when I'm patient and loving, I'm happier. These real truths that all of us learn through our experiences are the most important truths, because they effect our happiness, the happiness of those around us, and the way we live our life.
It's really that simple. I don't think this life is about salvation. I don't think God necessarily cares what we believe, even if we believe in God or not. I think our experience in this life has value because of what we learn and what we do with the things we learn. You will discover the things in life that are most important, as soon as you stop listening to a faith telling you what is most important and begin listening to yourself tell you what is most important. Learning to think for yourself and freeing yourself from the bondage of having to think a certain way a faith wants you to think, is the single most important gift you can give to yourself.
The value of a faith then lies in taking the good from it... stay if you want, but with eyes wide open. With open eyes you can minimize the damage that comes from believing wrong things. You can love freely, you can rid yourself of judgments that inherently come from a faith, and you can embrace other's beliefs. What a beautiful gift to give yourself, your family, and your friends. And you will know truths. The truths that really matter, not the "truths" about or that come from knowing your faith is true, and right. Real truths that you learn for yourself throughout your life. Truths like, when I'm patient and loving, I'm happier. These real truths that all of us learn through our experiences are the most important truths, because they effect our happiness, the happiness of those around us, and the way we live our life.
It's really that simple. I don't think this life is about salvation. I don't think God necessarily cares what we believe, even if we believe in God or not. I think our experience in this life has value because of what we learn and what we do with the things we learn. You will discover the things in life that are most important, as soon as you stop listening to a faith telling you what is most important and begin listening to yourself tell you what is most important. Learning to think for yourself and freeing yourself from the bondage of having to think a certain way a faith wants you to think, is the single most important gift you can give to yourself.
Saturday, February 7, 2015
The Making of a Cult?
When I first researched the Church's history, I began as most, a devout Mormon who is clueless about it's history. It didn't take too long into my research before I ran across Denver Snuffer, and many more like him, in the Bloggernacle (the Mormon blogosphere). So who is Denver Snuffer and those "many more" that are like him? They are true believers in the restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ. They are basically the new fundamentalist Mormon's that are breaking off of the main Salt Lake City based church. The reason I'm explaining this is... because there are many groups that trace their beginnings back to Joseph Smith and the restoration. The polygamists are fundamentalists, but Denver Snuffer and these groups are not part of them. They were Mormon's, they believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet, they believe that the Book of Mormon was translated from gold plates, they believe in the First Vision, and that Joseph Smith saw God and Jesus Christ in the Sacred Grove. So what's their problem? Don't Mormon's believe all those things too? Why am I calling them the new fundamentalists?
They think the Church has veered from its roots and it all started with Brigham Young, and basically the Church has been off track ever since, and it's veering ever more off all the time. They doubt the leadership is getting revelation from Christ, and that basically the Church is in an apostasy. This new group is growing everyday. A lot of the outspoken ones have been excommunicated from the Mormon Church, like Denver Snuffer, others are just up and leaving the Church. They are being rebaptized and joining into small groups, very interesting, to say the least!
So, when I first started reading about these people, and reading their blogs, etc., I was somewhat intrigued. I tried to have an open mind about them, and I followed them and their activities all last year. I was interested in just watching what they were doing and saying, trying to give them the benefit of the doubt about their beliefs and activities. But here's the problem with these guys, they are very much able to see all the wrongs that Brigham Young did and the leaders up to the present day, but they turn a blind eye to Joseph Smith. Rock Waterman, who is among this group, who seems like a very nice person, really he does, and I think his intentions are good, and he has a lot of followers on his blog, A LOT. It's from Rock's blog that I first learned about so many of the Church's problems, but Rock thinks that Joseph Smith was not a polygamist. That's right you heard me correctly, even though the Church says he was, and all the evidence says he was. Rock believes a book called, Joseph Smith Fought Polygmany, I'll leave that one for you to decide, but for me, I'm just not buying it.
Denver Snuffer wrote some books, one in particular, Passing the Heavenly Gift, and he has a blog, and these two things basically got him exed from the Church. He held a series of free lectures that started in late 2013 and ran through 2014, mostly throughout Utah. I believe the first was in Boise, and the final was in Las Vegas. His lectures from these meetings are available on his blog, if you want to read them. As a consequence of all of this, among other things, people are leaving the Church and getting rebaptized, into what I don't know; Denver said he isn't starting a new Church. So when you do something as drastic as leave your church and get rebaptized, you need something else for these people to do, so they have set up these loose (without a lot of rules or structure) groups. From what I understand, they collect tithing and then distribute it to those in need.
As good intentioned as this is, is this not just fraught with problems? I hope not, I sincerely hope for the best for these people, but aren't you naturally going to have someone, rise up as the leader? Isn't there always one person in the group with better leadership skills or more charismatic? Won't that person become the leader? And what about the money? It just looks like trouble to me. I think it will start out benign enough, but there can't help be problems when you are putting your money in a little box and then handing it out to others, or deciding as a group who gets the money. I just don't see that working very well. When you are giving your hard earned dollars to the Church, and they are telling you that it is God's scared money and they would never waste it, and that God requires that of you, that is one thing, hey, God blessed me with this money and if he wants 10 percent back, to be used to help others, and the Church would never waste my scared funds, I can buy into that. I did buy into that, for 56 years! It never bothered me to give my money to God, Never. The fact that the Church is not transparent about those sacred funds and the way they are spent... well that's another post. But putting your money in a box and then watching it go out, and then watching how the receiver's spend it, that could cause problems down the line, just sayin'.
So why did I title this post, The Making of a Cult? Well, here it is... there's another group, I think it's another group anyway, how many of these groups there are I don't know, and if they are working together or separate, I don't know that either. All I know is, that there are a lot of people who think the Church is in a state of apostasy, and they believe in the literal restoration of Christ's Church through Joseph Smith. They are leaving the Church and being rebaptized. I received an invitation the above mentioned group's first gathering. It takes place in May, in Colorado. I don't want to say too much about this gathering, because I know that these people are sincere and well intended, but I can't help thinking that this is exactly how cults begin. Maybe everyone in a cult is a victim, even the leaders. I don't know.
This group's expressed goal is to: teach the doctrines of the Kingdom of Jesus Christ, as provided through Joseph Smith and in scripture, to warn others of the impending calamites, and prepare for Zion. They say in no uncertain terms that the purpose of this gathering is NOT to start another church, they are just gathering as an informal community. Blah, blah, blah, isn't that how they all start? Even Shawn McCraney (Born Again Mormon) said in the beginning that he wasn't wanting to form a church, but he did. He may have a great church for all I know, he seems like a good person, its just that you can't believe the initial claims; they have to go somewhere and do something with all their talk. Even Shawn couldn't just criticize the LDS Church forever, things change and grow, and go in new directions. So these communities will either have to grow, or they will wither away. And that's the tricky part, how they grow, and who becomes in charge. They could easily turn into cults and take on a life of their own, a destructive life of their own.
Now I have a better understanding of how cults begin, I never understood them before, but I think I have a bird's eye view on the possible making of a few, very interesting, to say the least!
They think the Church has veered from its roots and it all started with Brigham Young, and basically the Church has been off track ever since, and it's veering ever more off all the time. They doubt the leadership is getting revelation from Christ, and that basically the Church is in an apostasy. This new group is growing everyday. A lot of the outspoken ones have been excommunicated from the Mormon Church, like Denver Snuffer, others are just up and leaving the Church. They are being rebaptized and joining into small groups, very interesting, to say the least!
So, when I first started reading about these people, and reading their blogs, etc., I was somewhat intrigued. I tried to have an open mind about them, and I followed them and their activities all last year. I was interested in just watching what they were doing and saying, trying to give them the benefit of the doubt about their beliefs and activities. But here's the problem with these guys, they are very much able to see all the wrongs that Brigham Young did and the leaders up to the present day, but they turn a blind eye to Joseph Smith. Rock Waterman, who is among this group, who seems like a very nice person, really he does, and I think his intentions are good, and he has a lot of followers on his blog, A LOT. It's from Rock's blog that I first learned about so many of the Church's problems, but Rock thinks that Joseph Smith was not a polygamist. That's right you heard me correctly, even though the Church says he was, and all the evidence says he was. Rock believes a book called, Joseph Smith Fought Polygmany, I'll leave that one for you to decide, but for me, I'm just not buying it.
Denver Snuffer wrote some books, one in particular, Passing the Heavenly Gift, and he has a blog, and these two things basically got him exed from the Church. He held a series of free lectures that started in late 2013 and ran through 2014, mostly throughout Utah. I believe the first was in Boise, and the final was in Las Vegas. His lectures from these meetings are available on his blog, if you want to read them. As a consequence of all of this, among other things, people are leaving the Church and getting rebaptized, into what I don't know; Denver said he isn't starting a new Church. So when you do something as drastic as leave your church and get rebaptized, you need something else for these people to do, so they have set up these loose (without a lot of rules or structure) groups. From what I understand, they collect tithing and then distribute it to those in need.
As good intentioned as this is, is this not just fraught with problems? I hope not, I sincerely hope for the best for these people, but aren't you naturally going to have someone, rise up as the leader? Isn't there always one person in the group with better leadership skills or more charismatic? Won't that person become the leader? And what about the money? It just looks like trouble to me. I think it will start out benign enough, but there can't help be problems when you are putting your money in a little box and then handing it out to others, or deciding as a group who gets the money. I just don't see that working very well. When you are giving your hard earned dollars to the Church, and they are telling you that it is God's scared money and they would never waste it, and that God requires that of you, that is one thing, hey, God blessed me with this money and if he wants 10 percent back, to be used to help others, and the Church would never waste my scared funds, I can buy into that. I did buy into that, for 56 years! It never bothered me to give my money to God, Never. The fact that the Church is not transparent about those sacred funds and the way they are spent... well that's another post. But putting your money in a box and then watching it go out, and then watching how the receiver's spend it, that could cause problems down the line, just sayin'.
So why did I title this post, The Making of a Cult? Well, here it is... there's another group, I think it's another group anyway, how many of these groups there are I don't know, and if they are working together or separate, I don't know that either. All I know is, that there are a lot of people who think the Church is in a state of apostasy, and they believe in the literal restoration of Christ's Church through Joseph Smith. They are leaving the Church and being rebaptized. I received an invitation the above mentioned group's first gathering. It takes place in May, in Colorado. I don't want to say too much about this gathering, because I know that these people are sincere and well intended, but I can't help thinking that this is exactly how cults begin. Maybe everyone in a cult is a victim, even the leaders. I don't know.
This group's expressed goal is to: teach the doctrines of the Kingdom of Jesus Christ, as provided through Joseph Smith and in scripture, to warn others of the impending calamites, and prepare for Zion. They say in no uncertain terms that the purpose of this gathering is NOT to start another church, they are just gathering as an informal community. Blah, blah, blah, isn't that how they all start? Even Shawn McCraney (Born Again Mormon) said in the beginning that he wasn't wanting to form a church, but he did. He may have a great church for all I know, he seems like a good person, its just that you can't believe the initial claims; they have to go somewhere and do something with all their talk. Even Shawn couldn't just criticize the LDS Church forever, things change and grow, and go in new directions. So these communities will either have to grow, or they will wither away. And that's the tricky part, how they grow, and who becomes in charge. They could easily turn into cults and take on a life of their own, a destructive life of their own.
Now I have a better understanding of how cults begin, I never understood them before, but I think I have a bird's eye view on the possible making of a few, very interesting, to say the least!
Saturday, January 24, 2015
Staying is easy!
Coming to the realization that the Church isn't what it claims to be, is a difficult and painful process for most people. Almost inevitably you are surrounded by family and friends who are active members, and STAYING is the easy option. Please know, wherever you are in this process or whichever "side" you are on, believing or non-believing, please know that STAYING is the easier option, initially anyway. Not necessarily the right option, but the easier one. So if you are having difficulty leaving, or someone you love is leaving the Church, please at least give them or yourself the respect that they deserve in knowing that they are choosing the harder option, Not the easy way out.
When I first discovered things about the Church, that led to my leaving, I remember I would read so many alarming things about the history of the Church, or quotes from leaders, from well documented primary sources, not anti-Mormon literature, that left me feeling distant from it and its teachings. Then I would go to Church on Sunday, see my friends, do my calling, I was the Young Women's leader at the time, and I would get so caught up in the familiarity of it all, the comfortableness of it all, that I would forget for the moment the lies and deception. I liked my world, it was easy to walk in those shoes, it was easy to talk the talk and walk the walk. EASY!!
Staying would have been the easier choice. Just brush aside the truth and remain in the illusion. Let the illusion fill my world, suppress the things I learned back into some dark closet in my mind, never to be opened again. I could pat myself on the back for being triumphant to this "trial of my faith" and go on with my life, just the way it was. No Big Deal.
But here's the catch, integrity would not allow that. When I could plainly see the lies, how could I push it all aside just to make my life easy? Knowing that staying is perpetuating the lies, we (my husband and I) could not stay. We could not in good conscience be used by the Church to promote their illusion of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ. That's how we began to view it. Staying is saying we believe it and it is true, and we could no longer say that. So we had to go, as difficult and unsettling as that is.
And there was another reason we had to go. We have a thirteen year old daughter, we could not continue to teach her that this Church is Christ's restored gospel, with a prophet that leads by direct revelation from Jesus Christ. How could we teach that to her, to have her discover someday that it is not true and then she has to have her world fall apart too. No, we love her too much to do that. So for her and for integrity's sake we walked away, when staying would have been easier. Much easier!
But here's the beauty of it all, it is worth it! Being free to think on your own, not tied down by religion. Free to make your choices, see the world through new eyes. EVERYONE should try that once in their life, let go of the things you have believed your entire life, if just for a minute to see what may be out there that you have never seen before. It will change you forever, for the better. Even if you go back to your beliefs, at least you got to see the world from a different view. How refreshing, how invigorating, how freeing. Now I let God lead me, I ask God to reveal himself to me on his terms, not mine, and not through some manmade religion, which they all are in my opinion. Oh, and Sunday what a beautiful day it has become, truly a day of rest, pleasure, relaxation, discovery, nature, food, family, peace, no restrictions, no meetings, no things that I have to do, no lessons to teach, just a day of absolute joy!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When I first discovered things about the Church, that led to my leaving, I remember I would read so many alarming things about the history of the Church, or quotes from leaders, from well documented primary sources, not anti-Mormon literature, that left me feeling distant from it and its teachings. Then I would go to Church on Sunday, see my friends, do my calling, I was the Young Women's leader at the time, and I would get so caught up in the familiarity of it all, the comfortableness of it all, that I would forget for the moment the lies and deception. I liked my world, it was easy to walk in those shoes, it was easy to talk the talk and walk the walk. EASY!!
Staying would have been the easier choice. Just brush aside the truth and remain in the illusion. Let the illusion fill my world, suppress the things I learned back into some dark closet in my mind, never to be opened again. I could pat myself on the back for being triumphant to this "trial of my faith" and go on with my life, just the way it was. No Big Deal.
But here's the catch, integrity would not allow that. When I could plainly see the lies, how could I push it all aside just to make my life easy? Knowing that staying is perpetuating the lies, we (my husband and I) could not stay. We could not in good conscience be used by the Church to promote their illusion of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ. That's how we began to view it. Staying is saying we believe it and it is true, and we could no longer say that. So we had to go, as difficult and unsettling as that is.
And there was another reason we had to go. We have a thirteen year old daughter, we could not continue to teach her that this Church is Christ's restored gospel, with a prophet that leads by direct revelation from Jesus Christ. How could we teach that to her, to have her discover someday that it is not true and then she has to have her world fall apart too. No, we love her too much to do that. So for her and for integrity's sake we walked away, when staying would have been easier. Much easier!
But here's the beauty of it all, it is worth it! Being free to think on your own, not tied down by religion. Free to make your choices, see the world through new eyes. EVERYONE should try that once in their life, let go of the things you have believed your entire life, if just for a minute to see what may be out there that you have never seen before. It will change you forever, for the better. Even if you go back to your beliefs, at least you got to see the world from a different view. How refreshing, how invigorating, how freeing. Now I let God lead me, I ask God to reveal himself to me on his terms, not mine, and not through some manmade religion, which they all are in my opinion. Oh, and Sunday what a beautiful day it has become, truly a day of rest, pleasure, relaxation, discovery, nature, food, family, peace, no restrictions, no meetings, no things that I have to do, no lessons to teach, just a day of absolute joy!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thursday, January 15, 2015
Into the Mind of a Mormon
I would say that there are two great pillars of the Mormon faith: Truth and God.
We are taught that we have the truth because we are the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ, and we have a living prophet that receives direct revelation (truth) from God. Because we are the restored Church of Christ, we have God. The Church and God are the same in essence, and God and the truth are the same, so these two great pillars Truth and God, not only do we own them, they are basically one in the same.
As a Mormon you value the truth, and always want to be faithful to the truth. As a Mormon you value the Church, and always want to be faithful to the Church. Since they are one in the same, being faithful to both is easy and not in conflict with each other, and because they are one in the same you don't have to value one over the other... they are equal and the same. Christ is the author of truth, this is his Church, they are tied together, you cannot separate them.
This concept of the truth and the Church being one is reinforced by everything in your life. As a Mormon you may have many spiritual experiences, these reinforce for you the truthfulness of Christ's Church, that you are in the true Church and you have the truth. All of the Church's teachings reinforce this. Most Mormons have many Mormon friends and family members, who all reinforce this to each other. They all believe it and it's their walk and their talk. It has been reinforced by your family, friends, and the Church how important it is to be faithful to Christ, (which is his church) and to the truth (which is his church).
So... when you stumble upon something or learn something about the Church, that exposes it to be false, I believe in a brief millisecond you have to choose between these two great pillars, the truth and God (the church). I believe it happens so quickly that you are not even aware of the choice that you are making, or that you are even making a choice. I believe in our subconscious one of these is more weightier to us than the other, and whichever the one is, determines your path.
For me it was the truth. The truth raised up, and I saw it more clearly, and the truth set me free. For others, being faithful to Christ, (which in their eyes is the church) is most important, and anything that says the Church isn't true, or threatens the Church will be cast away immediately and quickly forgotten, while the joy of staying faithful to Christ is reinforced by everyone you associate with, and in everything you do. For the truth to dominate, you have to want to know the truth more then you want the Church to be true. It's that simple and it's that complex.
So two people, one that held to the truth and the other that held to the Church, who once held these two beliefs so strongly in common will become separated. Each one believing they are holding to the most important thing.
This is where Mormon Faith Crisis Help comes in. Until you are in this situation, you don't know that this world view you hold can be separated, and you might find yourself at odds with your spouse or family member. If you can see that the person is holding to the one that they have placed more value in, it is easier to understand where they are coming from, and to be less judgmental.
We are taught that we have the truth because we are the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ, and we have a living prophet that receives direct revelation (truth) from God. Because we are the restored Church of Christ, we have God. The Church and God are the same in essence, and God and the truth are the same, so these two great pillars Truth and God, not only do we own them, they are basically one in the same.
As a Mormon you value the truth, and always want to be faithful to the truth. As a Mormon you value the Church, and always want to be faithful to the Church. Since they are one in the same, being faithful to both is easy and not in conflict with each other, and because they are one in the same you don't have to value one over the other... they are equal and the same. Christ is the author of truth, this is his Church, they are tied together, you cannot separate them.
This concept of the truth and the Church being one is reinforced by everything in your life. As a Mormon you may have many spiritual experiences, these reinforce for you the truthfulness of Christ's Church, that you are in the true Church and you have the truth. All of the Church's teachings reinforce this. Most Mormons have many Mormon friends and family members, who all reinforce this to each other. They all believe it and it's their walk and their talk. It has been reinforced by your family, friends, and the Church how important it is to be faithful to Christ, (which is his church) and to the truth (which is his church).
So... when you stumble upon something or learn something about the Church, that exposes it to be false, I believe in a brief millisecond you have to choose between these two great pillars, the truth and God (the church). I believe it happens so quickly that you are not even aware of the choice that you are making, or that you are even making a choice. I believe in our subconscious one of these is more weightier to us than the other, and whichever the one is, determines your path.
For me it was the truth. The truth raised up, and I saw it more clearly, and the truth set me free. For others, being faithful to Christ, (which in their eyes is the church) is most important, and anything that says the Church isn't true, or threatens the Church will be cast away immediately and quickly forgotten, while the joy of staying faithful to Christ is reinforced by everyone you associate with, and in everything you do. For the truth to dominate, you have to want to know the truth more then you want the Church to be true. It's that simple and it's that complex.
So two people, one that held to the truth and the other that held to the Church, who once held these two beliefs so strongly in common will become separated. Each one believing they are holding to the most important thing.
This is where Mormon Faith Crisis Help comes in. Until you are in this situation, you don't know that this world view you hold can be separated, and you might find yourself at odds with your spouse or family member. If you can see that the person is holding to the one that they have placed more value in, it is easier to understand where they are coming from, and to be less judgmental.
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